...and some related podcast conversations



This wide-ranging conversation between Ezra Klein and Anne Murphy Paul is full of ideas that exemplify the power and possibility of cognitive kindness and why it matters:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-annie-murphy-paul.html?smid=url-share


As does this conversation between Klein and Cal Newport: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/05/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-cal-newport.html?smid=url-share


Happy listening!

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